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  R & F JW's ARE agents of the org....

  by BoogerMan in

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  ....despite the cult's denials.. w51 6/15 p. 378 par.

  23 the spirit, the organization, and the word - his theocratic organization recognizes your authority from his word, the bible.

  so it uses you as one of its representatives in the field and it co-operates with you, supplies your needs, and renders you assistance..

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  There has been some legal decisions in the recent past both in various countries that JW elders etc are indeed agents of the organization. Just because they’re volunteers or don’t have certain rights within the corporation, doesn’t mean they’re not part of it, if you participate in something the corporation organized and you follow within their rules and regulations of such enterprise, you are by definition an agent.

  On the other hand, just because you visit a church, doesn’t make you an agent of the church, but once you get into being responsible for running the events, you can be viewed as doing things with either explicit or implicit authorization of the church.

  It is how for example RICO cases are pursued in the US, just because you’re not an employee of the mafia, doesn’t mean you’re not functioning as an agent for it nor does it shield them from liability for the requests made by the organization.
  
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

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  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  @Seabreeze: you say things like this - He has absolutly zero obligation to any of us for anything good at all

  The question was not whether he has the obligation to us, but rather to himself and his own morality. In the original question, the person standing by has no legal obligation but is yet condemned for his moral action or inaction.

  God in many scriptures not only condones or is inactive when evil happens, he often instigates and demands it or outright causes it. Basically to stick with the original illustration, he throws the baby on the train tracks and punishes you when you try to save it (eg. Uzzah) and when you don’t save it (James 4:17)
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  Rainbow 🌈 Law Makers will turn on Religion NOT the UN

  by JohnTron7 in

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  it should be starting to become more clear to people what i've stated for years on this site.

  the threat against religion that becomes pivotal will come from lgbtq politicians forcing through " hate crime" bills aimed at religions.

  in the past i have had a " maybe" statement from only one commenter.

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  Recent polls suggest that the kids are a lot less interested in all this social j́ustice crap. It has always been for kids to be counter culture, now that it is your 40 year old teacher and the mainstream media and companies taking the positions, it’s not cool anymore.
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  @Phizzy: it is the only recent poll I could find that gives a decent overview of the landscape. It’s thorough with the questions not just on independence but also whether they care at all.

  Not just dumb questions like would you vote for Scottish independence after a whole survey of ongoing political issues that would sway someone to think it’s all good/bad if they would leave/stay.

  It’s the same as asking: do you want a million dollars; everyone would say yes; do you want to work hard and go through the failures and potentially lose everything on the way there; well, not sure if everyone really cares to have a million dollars; do you think getting a million dollars is more important than your health, family etc, again, the people really wanting that million dollars dwindles fast.

  Not sure why you wouldn’t trust them, they’re generally viewed as one of the most reliable pollsters.
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  Unbelief and Salvation

  by lriddle80 in

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  hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

  7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.

  8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.

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  I would love to believe

  
  Then do believe that, it’s a free country. Hebrews and Timothy were written by different authors to different audiences, so obviously there will be some conflict on the message and potential interpretation.
  I’m not sure where you get that you couldn’t lose salvation from the second scripture. Both of them say the same thing in slightly different wordings.
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  As far as polls it all depends on the question you ask. There are polls from obviously partisan sides that will then claim one way or the other.
  There are decent polls from YouGov etc that show that not only is independence not high on anyone’s radar (only 20% of the population thinks it should be a priority) but straight up independence votes would not win support in the current political climate (43 yes to 48 no) but 69% of Scots do not even support having a referendum with 55% of the population having no confidence at all in SNP to do the right thing.
  I’m sure that with the right leaders, Scottish independence could be attained, but as it stands now, the existing government would not even get re-elected to do anything.
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  JW Marriages - Loophole in wedding vows

  by Finally-Free in

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  not being raised as a jw, i went to many church weddings, mostly in catholic churches.

  all the times i went to jw weddings i thought it unusual that they had their own vows, much different from the wedding vows used elsewhere.

  i remembered jws mentioning "divine temination" of marriages to me and thought the vows reflected that thought.

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  I would say the loophole sits in according to God’s marital arrangement

  According to JW's the WTBTS marital arrangement should be solely between people that are member of JWs. If one of you ceases to be a JW, it is no longer according to the WTBTS marital arrangement.
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

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  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  I’m not sure where you get your figures, but consumer inflation overall has remained lower in the UK vs US or EU since Brexit.

  Yes, the overall inflation number tracks higher and lower in some months but food and fuel inflation is lower across the board, although the EU artificially reduced their numbers by keeping interest rates low, which looks great on paper but if you’re not adjusting to the market, you’re basically pumping the economy by printing money, eventually that will have to end.

  Doesn’t help the Bank of England does everything in its power to create higher inflation (similar QE policies than the US) but most of the inflation according to Statista is in the area of taxes/duties (paying more for the state to do less, eg. NHS which has doubled its cost compared to its revenue in the last few years).
  
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
  2. current

  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  I think Scottish independence is feasible, but not under SNP and not with the goal of becoming part of another country (EU) again. If you’re just changing who runs the country, then you may as well not change at all, the crown is objectively better than the unelected bureaucrats of the EU.

  If you don’t have a plan that includes eliminating high taxes and eliminating and privatizing the broken healthcare and transportation and other government-run systems, then you’re not changing anything.
  
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  The currently missing 'Titan' submarine. What do you think?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  any opinions are just speculation, but my guess, being morbid, is that there was not a hull breach and implosion (although that would have been the most merciful fate for them), but instead the amateur level of building this thing meant that it lost power and communication and got itself tangled in the titanic's wreckage or is sitting on the actual seabed with no way to release ballast to resurface.

  terrifying.

  what's your gut feeling?

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  @Syd: modern media does work something like that. No need to organize anything, the White House Comms is a revolving door staffed by media executives and media companies are staffed with political operatives. You can easily find how many Clinton and Obama and now even Biden’s ex staff work at media companies at all levels.

  They don’t have to talk directly, there are dark Twitter accounts that people can follow. It’s how SuperPAC communicate with candidates and synchronize the message, there will be a “public” message appearing somewhere in a dark corner of the candidates website and then the SuperPAC somehow finds and amplifies this. It’s why sometimes candidate websites will have a weird section with tons of B-Roll and pictures that make no sense as advertisement, they can then be taken by a SuperPAC for high quality advertisement without ever needing to talk to or do a shoot with the candidate.

  This is true for both sides, plenty of people have uncovered some of these accounts, webpages and backchannels, all legal because they’re public (if you know where to look)